Barbs were flung or gauntlets thrown by myself and Mr. McCarthy and after a couple of sallies he left the field (not that I felt as if I had "won" anything) saying:
"I could give example after example of scientists who have committed even obvious fraud using their credentials and standings as scientists who have not been defrocked, as it were. Some retaining major academic positions and renown within the community of scientists, Fritz Haber was given the Nobel in Chemistry in 1918 when he should have been on trial for war crimes using his science, for example. But I won’t abuse the hospitality of Southern Beale to do so. Only, apropos of her post, when it comes to biological creations that could reproduce, uncontrolled and to horrific results, there is no reason to trust scientists to police themselves and good reason to not allow them to."
I made additional comments to him and other folks. The comment thread went dormant and it's now closed. That's all good.
It's not that I don't expect people to take away that I'm a prick after an exchange like the one we had--or that I actually give a fuck if they do. But, it tends to annoy me when someone does something like he did.
I went to that thread and typed a long comment which for one reason or another would not post properly. It's below this paragraph. Let me be fair, or as fair as I get, in saying that Mr. McCarthy might be a really swell person, I don't know him. I doubt that we'll be buds, but that's not terribly important.
Most of us are grown up enough to consider the source on a blog
when the other person is a frequent commenter. Apparently, you're not.
Your first post was an
accusation. You said:
"His faith in the
benevolence and omniscience of scientists who are just as corruptible as anyone
else is willful blindness."
That's an accusation of all scientists as
being corruptible; but wait, there's more.
"Science, as a
profession, isn’t notably good at following its own rules, as the frequent
retraction of papers, at times due to fraud, quite often due to the review
process being either faulty or fraudulent, itself."
is your reply to my
comment that scientists, as a class, are no more or less dishonest than other
Did you miss the bit in
my second comment where I said:
"Right. That shit
happens in every profession except politics and religion."
"I don’t believe in omniscience, being atheist I expeshly
don’t believe in GODLY omniscience." ?
It was you who first
brought up omniscience which, though you may be unaware, is a faculty that is
demonstrably unavailable to humans.
FWIW, I don't accept as
"settled" the issue of the safety, efficacy or economic fairy dust of
GMO's, NuKiller power, U.S. foreign policy or any of a large number of other
products and enterprises that public and private corporations or the gummint
You never answered this question:
"So, who brought
the fraud to the attention of the scientific journal? It had to be someone with
at least a modicum of scientific training, yes?"
So, who was it that
broke the story and what is the level of their scientific expertise? For
that matter how do MOST of these stories wind up being told? It's not like
anyone who has no understanding of science is going to be able to refute it.
It's a classic slippery slope argument.
You seem to have a
hard-on for science; why do you even use sciency stuff like the internet?
If you're coming here from FTB, welcome. Unless you're one of the several trollishfuckbags that have infested the blog of late. If that's the case, Fuck OFF!
Comments are moderated because some of my lurkers are very sweet people who do NOT want to read comments by people who use words such as, "Fuck", "Fucker", "Asshole", "Douchebag" and other profane or obscene terms*.
He's right that they weren't REAL immigrants, expeshly if you think of MurKKKa being more like Sudetenland in 1938 or Silesia at around the same time. Not immigrants, except in the same sense as the Scots-Irish in Belfast and other parts of Northern Ireland were in the period ca. 1600--1750. After 1715 a lot of the Scots-Irish came to the colonies and did much the same as they done in Ireland, supplanting the original inhabitants (and in both cases helping the Crown to rid itself of "troublesome" individuals, tribes and nations.
and that's only ONE of the numerous, assholishly obnoxious and completely fucking WRONG memes that Pat is pushing in his latest Op-Fucked-in-the-head columns @ WND. How anyone can consider people like PuKKKecannon, Scalia and other ReiKKKwingers to have EVER been intelligent is way the hell beyond me.
is one of my favorite t-shirts, since the first time I ever saw it. I'd buy one if I did that sort of thing.
Needless to say but the current FUKKAK** at the U.S./Mexico border is sorta pickin' up where Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and some other places since 1945 left off in the area of killing totally innocent people for being fucking alive and hurting our fee-fees.
It appears that the largely KKKristianist ReiKKKwing of the GOP* has decided that flogging one dead horse, The War on Drugs, is not enough.
Now they want to show the same level of the Burnin' Stoopit indignorance and bigotry on another front--the War Against teh GAY!
I don't got no crystal ball but I can see a line clear to the horizon, starting with the Chik-Fil-Aholes who will now want to restate their "religious convictions" that require them to be complete dicks. Not that they need to tell us twice that they're complete dicks.